Paul Mecurio: Mecurio Rising
Written by J.T. Ryder | Thursday, 20 December 2007
A Moment Of Truth With Paul Mecurio
When you go to see Paul Mecurio in
action, the seamless, conversational style of his delivery and the provocative
nature of his topics, it is easy to see how he garnered an Emmy and a Peabody
award for his writing on the critically acclaimed The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Paul, a native of Providence,
Rhode Island, began his career as a mergers and acquisitions lawyer for a Wall
Street law firm. Making the transition from the world of money to the realm of
funny is a move that most people would not understand. Sometimes, the cry from
what's inside overcomes the commercial indoctrination defining what success is
in our modern society. Sometimes, only sometimes, the truth wins out.
J.T.: With the
prevalence of satirical comedy as of late, like The Daily Show, The Colbert
Report, The Onion, et al, do you think satire can affect a change in the social
conscious of America?
Paul: I don't think there is now because people are too
overwhelmed and there are too many messages from too many forms of media. I
think in the day of Lenny Bruce and Mort Sahl, there were three major networks
and one night you hear Don Rickles or, if you're lucky, someone would put on a
Lenny Bruce record. You would hear something that would stand out. But I don't
think in this day, if you're a political satirist or a commentator, that I or
any group of us will be able to really affect a major change with it. I think
you might be kidding yourself because there is so much information coming at us
right now. Basic cable, cable, the Internet, over your phone, over your I-Pod.
I think we're just inundated and it's hard to stand out. That's not to say that
it shouldn't be done and that's not to say that I won't do it and that's not to
say that it can't happen. But, I
think that it would have to be somebody really huge with a regular pulpit. I
mean, Bill Mahr is probably the closest to that somebody and before that,
Dennis Miller when he had his HBO show. But even Bill Mahr on HBO, I mean, just
from the nature of HBO, it does not have the reach that maybe the network does.
I think it can help sway people in a certain direction, but I don't think that
you can point to it directly and say, 'This is definitely going to affect
change.' It's really hard now. But, I think it's necessary and still should be
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J.T.: When you're writing material, have you ever
had trouble keeping a humorous perspective or have you become so outraged that
nothing funny could be squeezed out of it?
"Oh yeah! You definitely get to the point sometimes
where you get too close to it and you sort of... you get to feeling outraged and
you either run out of stuff to say about something because you've been talking
about it so much or you're just so upset the way the tide is turning on
something that you kind of lose your ability to be funny. I think that you kind
of have to keep that in check as part of the gig to be able to fight through
that. It's a little easier when I write for myself because I don't have network
standards. I don't have to answer to anybody other than myself, so I can a have
a little bit more leeway in terms of where I can go with something, so I think
you're less likely to get stuck. But, when you're writing for a TV show, there
are certain standards and practices and so forth that you have to stay within,
but I find, more often than not, that getting sort of upset or angry about
something makes for better comedy. Like when we were covering, on the Daily
Show, Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. If I had to write one more blowjob joke, I
was going to blow my brains out. Then I got really incensed that, uh... I don't
know if you remember when Monica did that spread for Vanity Fair? She's sitting
on this stump with a blanket, a little checked shirt and jeans and I was so
incensed that our society would allow that to happen, that she would get the
kind of press that she was getting, rehabilitating her career. I got so angry
that my writing partner and I wrote a joke where we said that, 'This isn't all
she's doing. She's now actually getting product endorsements. She's the
spokesman now for different companies, including the milk industry.' We took
the same shot of her on a blanket as a little farm girl and we put a cum shot
all over her face with the line below it that said, 'Got Milk?' That was a time
where it caused a little bit... a little, little, little bit of controversy at Comedy Central. But it was also good
because it came from a real place of anger and it resonated a lot.
J.T.: Well, the
people that are chosen to be idealized anymore... well... there's really no standard
for heroes anymore.
Paul: Yeah! You're one of the few people who have said that
because, which makes me glad that you said it. I feel very strongly about that.
That's why I came up with the Image Makeover
segment (in his routine as well as on The
Bob and Tom Show). It's all about that. The whole reason for me to come up
with that it's a commentary about how we're so obsessed with image in this
culture and nothing else matters. As long as the image is fine, we forgive
everything else. So by my sort of, false positive, sarcastic tone, I'm
obviously ragging on every thing or every person that I'm doing an Image
Makeover about. But it never comes off that way... I mean it does come off that
way, but in a subtle way by saying, 'Hey, don't worry about it O.J. I can fix
you so everything is going to be great!' So I'm not only ragging on the person.
More importantly, I'm ragging on a culture that allows that to happen.
J.T.: A culture that
urges it on, in most cases.
Paul: Oh yeah! I mean, absolutely! You know, I don't think
Larry King or any of these people when they interview these people care about
the people. They care about the ratings they get from interviewing these
people.
J.T.: Well, hell!
Larry King doesn't even know who he's interviewing half the time!
Paul: (Laughs) Exactly! Exactly! So, I think that, on some
levels, it's a troubling time and I don't see it really changing.
J.T.: With your
comedic style, you're not going for the set up punch line. You're not catering
to the lowest common denominator.
Paul: No! I think that, for me, stand-up isn't really an
act. You've seen my act. My 'act' is very much a conversation. It is real and
happening for me and I feel passionate about, so it's not an 'act.' I think
it's a conversation that's funny. In the spirit of Will Rogers and Bill Hicks
and all these guys, there's a great opportunity to make commentary about what's
going on in the world and it's a missed opportunity if it's not done.
J.T.: I love that you
mentioned Will Rogers in with the others. It amazes me, listening to his radio
programs and seeing some of his film spots, that he was able to make subtle
political commentaries back in that era. It's amazing how much he got through
to the people.
Paul: And I think that goes back to your first question. He
was able to get through because the people were not inundated with so many
messages, so many options in mediums. You know, he's got a radio show or a live
show in a vaudeville theater and people come out and see him. Well, it's not
like those people in that town had seven other different things that they could
do that night. He had the pulpit that that we were talking about, so he was
able to have a message that stuck.
J.T.: How would you
describe your style of comic satire?
Paul: I'm interested in saying stuff about what's going on
and relating to people in a real way and giving them a show that they really
didn't expect to get, not just in terms of content, but in the way it's
delivered to them in terms of communication. So that's where I start to
differentiate myself from everybody else as an artist, because I really think
that it's art. I know that it's kind of construed as the lowest common
denominator of the art world, but I think that if you go to any art show,
whether it's painting, sculpture, opera or stand-up, you should leave there
having seen something that you didn't expect to see. So that's the challenge,
to find a way to present something and do something in a provocative way.
J.T.: Well, I
disagree with your statement, but I know it's the common perception, that
comedy is viewed as the lowest of the art forms. Yet, it is the only
performance art that needs immediate approval to work. Nobody is standing
behind a painter and analyzing every stroke. Even with dance or other
performance art, it may not be appreciated until well after the performance.
Paul: Yeah, I don't feel that way, obviously. I left a
career on Wall St. to do it, so there's nobody more passionate about doing it
than I am. I'm thoroughly passionate about it and I feel that it's an important
part of our culture because I think you need
to have satirists. They had them back in the days of Socrates, roaming the
streets. They always existed. I think that there are a lot of people that view
it that way, but I think they're very wrong about that. I'm glad to hear that
you don't agree with that either. Hopefully I'm wrong and maybe people do view
it as a high form of art. I certainly do.
J.T.: When a big
event happens, is there a mad scramble to get all the bits milked out of it and
out there before somebody else does?
Paul: I just think that you don't want to just rush and do
something. If it's something that feels right and organic and within your
wheelhouse, then you do it. That's at least through my own perspective. I'm
focused more on my own stand-up. There are shows in development for me now, so
I'm not writing full time for The Daily
Show, as you know. I'm touring and I still do audience warm up on The Daily Show, so I'm still involved in
the show after, whatever it is, eleven or twelve years. I was one of the
original writers and performers on the show in ninety-six. So I think you try
to write something that makes sense. You don't want to go in and do them to do
them.
J.T.: Are there jokes
or topics you shy away from because of the volatile nature of society right
now?
Paul: I'm not there to alienate people, certainly, but I'm
also not there to pander. Yet, I can go into a red state and do jokes about
Republicans and go to blue states and do jokes about liberals and get away with
it. As long as what I'm saying doesn't have an agenda. As long as it's honest.
I can go anywhere and do this joke about Bush, that when he speaks, he smiles
in all the wrong places. When the leader of the free world who has his finger on
the button is smiling when he's not supposed to, that's unsettling. He'll be in
the middle of a really intense speech, like, 'We're going to get these
terrorists and we're not going to back down!' and then here comes the smile.
It's like, where's the smile come from? Well, his brain is in Jakarta and his
mouth is in Washington and there's a signal that goes between the two, but then
sometimes the signal gets interrupted by an episode of Spongebob Squarepants.
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On this tour, Paul has eschewed
corporate sponsorship. Not that he's turning down any offers, mind you (except
for the offer from NaMBLA, with their
suggestion of a Boys for Toys North
American Tour). The Mecurio Marketing Machine came up with an idea that
puts you, the fan, into the driver's seat... literally. The Carpooling With Strangers Tour offers you the chance to win
four free, yes free, tickets to see Paul live and then to hang out after the
show while he writes in his courage journal and does Jäger-bombs off of a
waitress' taut little tummy. As a winner, you will be featured on Paul's web
page and MySpace page as the fan of the week. To enter, just go to
www.paulmecurio.com/tour or his MySpace page at myspace.com/paulmecurio. Better
buckle up... it's going to get interesting.